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Rumor: Tango are working on a 'Survival Action' title

PostPosted: Feb 11, 2016 4:42 am
by Rikitatsu
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This rumor comes from NeoGAF member "kiri" , who has a rock-solid track record for Tango rumors. Apparently, Tango Gameworks are developing a Survival Action title (though he've been told plans could change), and are a maximum of 12 months in development. It's unclear whether its a New IP or an action-oriented TEW sequel.

Source: kiri's post

Re: Rumor: Tango are working on a 'Survival Action' title

PostPosted: Feb 11, 2016 4:57 am
by Rikitatsu
I said rumor in the title, but it's pretty much confirmed as far as I'm concerned. Kiri is legit, he has a proper inside knowledge of Tango. He talked about TEW's DLC way before the main game launched, and he posted pictures of Tango's new office that aren't availble elsewhere on the internet. Plus small tidbits like the Next - gen's version of TEW being 30 FPS. And other stuff.

So yeah, he is legit.

Re: Rumor: Tango are working on a 'Survival Action' title

PostPosted: Feb 11, 2016 7:52 am
by Nemesis85
So, by saying "Survival Action" I suppose you mean games like Call of Duty? the title is vague, because in order to survive, you need action lol. just kidding. So, if the rumor is conformed, can you give an example of a game that this rumor is suppose to follow.

Re: Rumor: Tango are working on a 'Survival Action' title

PostPosted: Feb 11, 2016 9:24 am
by Rikitatsu
Nemesis85 wrote:So, by saying "Survival Action" I suppose you mean games like Call of Duty? the title is vague, because in order to survive, you need action lol. just kidding. So, if the rumor is conformed, can you give an example of a game that this rumor is suppose to follow.

Think Survival Horror but without the horror... I assume it's going to have limited resources and tough situations, but t it won't be scary. There are a lot of 'Survival' games like Ark and Rust, but I don't think I've ever heard of 'Survival Action ' before.

Come and think of it, Tango had a cancelled Project called Noah that they dubbed 'Survival', right? Hold on, lemme check.

Edit: Yep, they called it 'Survival Adventure'... Open world Sci-Fi game inspired by the movie Dune. Story was about how living on earth became a challenge, so humans went to look for habitable planets,. They lost contact with a space colony and a team was dispatched to find out what went wrong.

It was cancelled due to financial issues, so maybe Tango are bringing it back (Or some it's ideas) now that they are owned by Bethesda.

Re: Rumor: Tango are working on a 'Survival Action' title

PostPosted: Feb 11, 2016 5:53 pm
by liontamer
I suppose it isn't very likely that a TEW sequel takes a "survival action" approach... *sigh*.

Re: Rumor: Tango are working on a 'Survival Action' title

PostPosted: Feb 12, 2016 1:15 am
by Autoignition
The Last of Us is considered Survival Action (as it falls under both survival horror and action adventure), so I wouldn't rule out TEW2. I remember after TEW came out a lot of people compared it to TLoU because of its gameplay style, and people also bitched and moaned about TEW being "too hard." Survival Action might just mean that they're making the difficulty baby mode for babies and Mikami no longer considers it pure Survival Horror like the first game.

Also consider the way the first game ended. They're not fully in STEM anymore. The world outside is likely to be much brighter and more open, and the cast of characters is likely to have doubled or even tripled. Without those tight corridors and constant threats looming over you, it's disingenuous to call it pure survival horror. Survival action actually seems like the logical place to go for the sequel.

ETA: If it's only 9-12 months into development, does that mean Johanas-senpai is directing...? :o

Re: Rumor: Tango are working on a 'Survival Action' title

PostPosted: Feb 12, 2016 6:20 pm
by Rikitatsu
Autoignition wrote:Survival Action might just mean that they're making the difficulty baby mode for babies and Mikami no longer considers it pure Survival Horror like the first game.

If that was the case they'd call it "Action Horror" like Shadows of the Damned, but the fact that they omitted the "horror" part obviously means the game is not trying to be scary.

That said, the source claimed he have been told plans might change, so who knows what they'll end up with.

Re: Rumor: Tango are working on a 'Survival Action' title

PostPosted: Feb 12, 2016 10:00 pm
by Autoignition
Rikitatsu wrote:If that was the case they'd call it "Action Horror" like Shadows of the Damned, but the fact that they omitted the "horror" part obviously means the game is not trying to be scary.

That said, the source claimed he have been told plans might change, so who knows what they'll end up with.


That really depends on the direction the sequel takes. Shadows of the Damned takes place in actual literal Hell and is a straight-up third person shooter. It's basically just STEM with dick jokes and Suda 51 all over the place with a playstyle ripped directly out of RE4. The TEW sequel is very likely to take place mostly in the real world, and the gameplay will still probably be a roguelike-esque "scrape for supplies" style like the first game (and like TLoU), so putting the word "Action" first doesn't make a lot of sense since it's not likely to be a straight TPS like SotD was. When I say "baby mode for babies" I mean that casual difficulty will be the new normal, and idk if you played on the patched casual mode, but it's a joke. It's still a scrape for supplies -- the gameplay style hasn't changed -- but it's baby mode.

Omitting the word "horror" from the title means nothing. Again, The Last of Us is considered "Survival Action" and the "Survival" part of that comes from Survival Horror. But "Survival Horror/Action-Adventure" is too long to say, hence "Survival Action." You're telling me that that game -- a zombie game centered around body horror and the atrocities of man -- wasn't trying to be scary, just because the shortened genre title doesn't say so? And that game was even marketed as being action-based due to the type of audience they were trying to draw in and because of the studio it was coming from, even though it is most definitely a horror game at its core.

Bethesda kinda screwed the pooch with their marketing for TEW, and it caused the game to suffer upon reception. They tried to pass it off as some kind of Resident Evil homage (which it wasn't) or like Mikami's take on Silent Hill (which it wasn't), which made people expect a certain kind of storytelling, playstyle, and execution. That's why so many people were pissed off with the end product. This might be their attempt at actually promoting the game in an honest way as to not make promises that the game won't deliver on. You can't tell me that the first game couldn't easily fall under the title of Survival Action, because it most certainly can. I'm not even a Survival Horror purist, and I don't think that TEW is pure Survival Horror.

lmao I'm sorry Rikitatsu, I don't mean to constantly be picking fights with you, it's just that I think we have a lot of reasons to be expectant of and optimistic for a sequel. And personally? I would consider this leak to be more of a confirmation of that fact -- possibly even moreso than what Nakamura showed us on Twitter back in the summer (though, if we're going by the 9-12 month development window for this game, those pictures surfaced about seven months ago... the timing seems right for those to have been shown to us shortly after the sequel was greenlit and work really started on it). I would be totally mindboggled if Bethesda put Tango to work on a game that was in the exact same genre as TEW without it being TEW. The mere idea of it seems silly to me.

Re: Rumor: Tango are working on a 'Survival Action' title

PostPosted: Feb 13, 2016 7:04 am
by Rikitatsu
Autoignition wrote:
Rikitatsu wrote:If that was the case they'd call it "Action Horror" like Shadows of the Damned, but the fact that they omitted the "horror" part obviously means the game is not trying to be scary.

That said, the source claimed he have been told plans might change, so who knows what they'll end up with.


That really depends on the direction the sequel takes. Shadows of the Damned takes place in actual literal Hell and is a straight-up third person shooter. It's basically just STEM with dick jokes and Suda 51 all over the place with a playstyle ripped directly out of RE4. The TEW sequel is very likely to take place mostly in the real world, and the gameplay will still probably be a roguelike-esque "scrape for supplies" style like the first game (and like TLoU), so putting the word "Action" first doesn't make a lot of sense since it's not likely to be a straight TPS like SotD was. When I say "baby mode for babies" I mean that casual difficulty will be the new normal, and idk if you played on the patched casual mode, but it's a joke. It's still a scrape for supplies -- the gameplay style hasn't changed -- but it's baby mode.

Omitting the word "horror" from the title means nothing. Again, The Last of Us is considered "Survival Action" and the "Survival" part of that comes from Survival Horror. But "Survival Horror/Action-Adventure" is too long to say, hence "Survival Action." You're telling me that that game -- a zombie game centered around body horror and the atrocities of man -- wasn't trying to be scary, just because the shortened genre title doesn't say so? And that game was even marketed as being action-based due to the type of audience they were trying to draw in and because of the studio it was coming from, even though it is most definitely a horror game at its core.

Bethesda kinda screwed the pooch with their marketing for TEW, and it caused the game to suffer upon reception. They tried to pass it off as some kind of Resident Evil homage (which it wasn't) or like Mikami's take on Silent Hill (which it wasn't), which made people expect a certain kind of storytelling, playstyle, and execution. That's why so many people were pissed off with the end product. This might be their attempt at actually promoting the game in an honest way as to not make promises that the game won't deliver on. You can't tell me that the first game couldn't easily fall under the title of Survival Action, because it most certainly can. I'm not even a Survival Horror purist, and I don't think that TEW is pure Survival Horror.

lmao I'm sorry Rikitatsu, I don't mean to constantly be picking fights with you, it's just that I think we have a lot of reasons to be expectant of and optimistic for a sequel. And personally? I would consider this leak to be more of a confirmation of that fact -- possibly even moreso than what Nakamura showed us on Twitter back in the summer (though, if we're going by the 9-12 month development window for this game, those pictures surfaced about seven months ago... the timing seems right for those to have been shown to us shortly after the sequel was greenlit and work really started on it). I would be totally mindboggled if Bethesda put Tango to work on a game that was in the exact same genre as TEW without it being TEW. The mere idea of it seems silly to me.

The Japanese are very particular about their genre names, stuff like Survival Horror, Hunting Action, Stylish Action all came from Japan, if they omitted the 'horror' from the genre name it should be very telling. Note that I'm not denying it could be TEW2, like I said in a post above, it could be a sequel with a focus on Action. But unlike you, I'm starting to doubt it's chances more and more.

First of all, if anything, Nakamura posting those concept arts likely meant TEW2 wasn't in development, Nakamura is an industry veteran and not ignorant of stuff like NDA, so her releasing those pictures meant that the project that she drew those concept arts for was either scrapped or wasn't even considered.

Also, a Survival Horror game is not really the same genre as a Survival Action game, not to mention we really don't know anything about the particulars of thier next game, it could be an open world sci-fi game like thier project Noah (which they called Survival Adventure BTW) . So I don't see why Bethesda would refuse greenlighting a game like that just because it has Survival elements like the studio's last game .

Re: Rumor: Tango are working on a 'Survival Action' title

PostPosted: Feb 13, 2016 1:02 pm
by Autoignition
Okay, but... It's not the Japanese that are marketing it. I think you and I even had this argument before, but on opposite sides. I tried to compare Tango to other Japanese studios and you said it wasn't a fair comparison because it's published and marketed by Western Bethesda. Hell, this game may not even be directed by a Japanese man, if it is in fact Johanas at the helm. And considering we live in a post-TLoU world, it's not an unthinkable assumption to make that Bethesda would try to hearken back to it in order to boost sales.

You're also assuming an awful lot about Nakamura -- namely that she posted all of those pictures on her own actions and not because she was instructed to by a higher up to tease the game. If you're really going to take the "Nakamura knows better and wouldn't do that" stance then what's your explanation for deleting it all, when she never deletes her work off of Twitter? She was very coy about the whole thing, she knew what she was doing when posting and deleting the pics. So, either she didn't know better and that contradicts your claim, or she did know better and did it regardless, both of which begs the question "Why didn't she just say what it was right off the bat?"

Like... Man, I'm sorry, this is going to sound so mean, but you are just so unreal to me. In the words of Lewis Black, "we have to all reach a point where we can all look at a piece of evidence and agree on what the fuck reality is. You cannot look at footage of a cat getting hit by an 18-wheeler and then say that the cat was trying to kill itself."

I know that you don't want a sequel. I get that. But sitting here and denying what Survival Action is even after being told and after admitting you didn't know what it was, is ludicrous to me. Like, are you trying to say that Tango is completely reinventing what the term Survival Action means just so that there's no horror in the game? There is far more evidence in favor of a sequel than against one.

Evidence for:
+ Blatant cliffhanger ending in the final DLC
+ Great sales for a new horror IP
+ Attention still being given to TEW social media, including tumblr and twitter
+ TEW in marketing
+ Nakamura's tweets
+ Survival Action
+ Hell, even the inside info from Jocifer's Tango buddy

Evidence against:
+ Low sales compared to far reaching mass-marketed games not in niche genres
+ Lukewarm metacritic score
+ Some blurry pics in the background of a staff photo even though we can't tell what the hell they are

Like... Again, I get that you don't want a sequel, but your continued confirmation bias is such a fucking bummer. Just in this thread alone, you extinguished someone else's excitement about a sequel, and you frustrate me and harsh my buzz constantly with your naysaying. This is a forum for people who loved TEW and are excited about news for it -- at least, that was my impression when I joined. It's so disheartening having a mod constantly squashing down people's excitement and telling them not to get their hopes up for something they love.